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                                  Bob 
                                    Minton's Speech 
                                    February 12, 1999  
                                  Although 
                                    Scientology tried hard to disuade CULTinfo 
                                    from allowing Bob to speak, they were not 
                                    successful. Bob Minton gave an address on 
                                    the first evening of the conference which 
                                    was very warmly received. 
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                            Good 
                              evening. I would like to extend a very special thanks 
                              to CULTinfo for your commitment to continuing the 
                              fight against the evils of cults, and for having 
                              the courage to sponsor this conference. I extend 
                              my best wishes for the success of your organization. 
                              I would also like to thank you personally for having 
                              me as a speaker at dinner tonight. Given the recent 
                              controversies I have been involved in, I'm sure 
                              this also took courage.  
                            I 
                              am a director of FACTNet. We too are a counter-cult 
                              group and we are part of an ongoing strategy on 
                              the Internet to disseminate information about cults. 
                              Most recently, our emphasis has been on defeating 
                              a dark and evil enemy - the so called "Church" 
                              of Scientology.  
                            Scientology 
                              dislikes the Internet; it dislikes FACTNet; it dislikes 
                              me and it dislikes this conference. One of the major 
                              problems of Scientology is that its special brand 
                              of evil dislikes any attempt by anyone to expose 
                              the true criminal nature of this pernicious cult. 
                              I can assure you, however, that I am here tonight 
                              continuing to do just that.  
                            More 
                              often than not when we detail the dark activities 
                              of Scientology, we concentrate on the more obviously 
                              outrageous legal and constitutional rights violations 
                              committed by Scientology's Office of Special Affairs, 
                              or OSA. Truly these acts by Scientology's self-styled 
                              police force are evil, their hypocrisy the most 
                              notable, and it is easiest to express outrage against 
                              this level of Scientology's crimes. It is OSA that 
                              targets critics like me and organizations like CULTinfo. 
                               
                            There 
                              is more than enough information on OSA's outrageous 
                              activities available on the internet and I will 
                              not burden you with a further litany of their abuse. 
                              However, before I get into the main text of my speech, 
                              I do wish to share with you some insights into Scientology 
                              that came about last summer as a result of fifteen 
                              hours of meetings with top Scientology officials. 
                               
                            I 
                              had a series of meetings with two of the top leaders 
                              of Scientology, Mike Rinder, the head of OSA, and 
                              Marty Rathbun, the head of RTC and second in command 
                              of Scientology, under David Miscavige. I agreed 
                              to these meetings because at the time I naively 
                              thought it might be possible to carry on a dialogue 
                              with these people for the purpose of bringing about 
                              reforms of some of their most abusive practices. 
                               
                            Without 
                              boring you with the details of these meetings, I 
                              concluded by the third and last one that communicating 
                              on any rational level with these or any other Scientology 
                              leaders was impossible. The arrogance and disdain 
                              with which they treated me during these meetings 
                              was born of a firmly held belief that anyone critical 
                              of Scientology is nothing but a hindrance to their 
                              forward progress, something to be neutralized in 
                              any possible way. I was an irritant, and theirs 
                              was an unshakable belief in the infallibility of 
                              the technology created by the failed artist, L. 
                              Ron Hubbard.  
                            Since 
                              these meetings, Scientology has stepped up its attacks 
                              on me. But I am not the kind of person who has tended 
                              to avoid confrontation. Although the Scientologists 
                              have done everything in their power to complicate 
                              my life, I have no intention of turning my back 
                              on their insidious evil. Scientology knows this, 
                              and they intend to stop me using whatever means 
                              they possibly can.  
                            But 
                              what has happened to me is only one example of the 
                              many tactics Scientology uses to silence its critics 
                              and, generally, to keep the outside world at bay. 
                               
                            Indeed, 
                              the external-facing Office of Special Affairs is 
                              the only part of Scientology that anyone on the 
                              outside ever encounters. It is extremely important 
                              to realize that none of us outside the tightly controlled 
                              world of Scientology are ever allowed even a glimpse 
                              of the true face of Scientology. OSA personnel are 
                              assigned to attend conferences like this one to 
                              monitor the activities, report back to their seniors 
                              with a list of attendees, and, if possible, harass 
                              and introvert Scientology critics, many of whom 
                              are here tonight. The people who carry out the harassment 
                              and intimidation of critics are all OSA personnel 
                              or OSA's hired investigators and agents. People 
                              on the Internet never speak to anyone who has not 
                              been specifically assigned by OSA to "handle" 
                              the critics.  
                            OSA, 
                              therefore, is the interfacing entity between the 
                              Scientology world and the real world. There is rarely 
                              even the slightest ripple in the mirror-still waters 
                              of Scientology's slick public image. To listen to 
                              any of the OSA operatives here tonight, one would 
                              think that they lived in a constant state of happiness 
                              and complete fulfillment.  
                            However, 
                              there is only one way that we can catch a glimpse 
                              of what life in Scientology is really like, particularly 
                              in the totally closed world of the Sea Org and OSA. 
                              Our avenue to this information is via the people 
                              who have been there.  
                            It 
                              is painful, emotionally difficult work to come to 
                              an understanding of Scientology. However, it must 
                              be done to become an effective critic and to educate 
                              others to the danger of this organization.  
                            I 
                              have read many of the testimonials by former Scientologists 
                              on the Internet where these heartbreaking stories 
                              have been posted. I decided to seek some of these 
                              people out and find out for myself what had happened 
                              to them. This learning effort has required a large 
                              dose of introspection on my part and a willingness 
                              to empathize and appreciate the emotional devastation 
                              that has occurred to people at the hands of Scientology. 
                               
                            I 
                              have gained incredibly valuable insights from my 
                              long discussions with both current and former high-level 
                              Scientologists about what it is like to be in this 
                              cult. Many of these people have become good friends, 
                              and I have been able to see that far from being 
                              in any way discredited by their experience in Scientology, 
                              they have an insight into the dark side of human 
                              nature that it would benefit all of us to comprehend. 
                               
                            We 
                              need to embrace them as equals and hear, but, most 
                              importantly, understand what they have been through. 
                              They have literally looked into the eyes of the 
                              Devil. They have seen the face of pure evil. They 
                              have a powerful and frightening story to tell, and 
                              we must listen to them and understand the true nature 
                              of Scientology through their hearts and minds.  
                            One 
                              former member has told me of being imprisoned behind 
                              barbed wire and guarded by police dogs twenty-four 
                              hours a day. He tried to leave but was physically 
                              restrained and deprived of sleep and nourishment 
                              until he became compliant. Gradually, as he was 
                              subjected to ever increasing levels of indoctrination, 
                              he felt that his soul lost everything of meaning. 
                              Much later, he came to realize that he was being 
                              used by something narcissistic and utterly evil; 
                              his soul had been literally cracked.  
                            He 
                              came to feel that he had lost everything for the 
                              sake of Scientology, and that a life outside of 
                              the cult was not possible . However, because reincarnation 
                              is part of the Scientology cosmology, the only hope 
                              for escape from Scientology was death. He had conversations 
                              with others in the Rehabilitation Project Force, 
                              or RPF, Scientology's political prison. They agreed 
                              that when they died, and after they were reincarnated, 
                              they would wait a long time and have a chance to 
                              see what a real life was like for a while before 
                              reporting back to work in Scientology. They were 
                              condemned to return life after life, but they would 
                              put it off as long as they could. This was the level 
                              of psychological despair which these prisoners had 
                              reached.  
                            Another 
                              former Sea Org member told me the horrifying story 
                              of being assigned to the RPF during one of Scientology's 
                              many purges. She was pregnant when she was sent 
                              to the prison camp. She, along with all the others, 
                              was forced to do extremely strenuous physical labor 
                              for thirty hours at a time, with only three hours 
                              off until the next shift. People became so exhausted 
                              that they would fall asleep while working and injure 
                              themselves with their hammer, saw or other tools. 
                               
                            Often 
                              they were forced to sleep on the roof of the building, 
                              in pouring rain. They were utterly degraded as human 
                              beings, allowed only minimal nourishment, very little 
                              sleep, and many became extremely ill and feverish 
                              because of the concerted pattern of abuse while 
                              their immune systems were already so compromised. 
                              They were being punished, she felt, because of the 
                              paranoia of the leadership.  
                            My 
                              friend told me she was terrified that she was harming 
                              her baby and begged her captors to be allowed to 
                              sleep and eat for the sake of her unborn child. 
                              But no one was willing to risk noncompliance with 
                              the orders of senior management. She finally escaped, 
                              but her baby was already damaged. Doctors thought 
                              the mother had been on drugs during her pregnancy 
                              because of the kind of damage the fetus had suffered. 
                              They thought he was a crack baby, because when he 
                              was born he was severely underweight, under three 
                              pounds at full term.  
                            She 
                              couldn't tell them the truth, she couldn't tell 
                              them what she had actually subjected her baby to. 
                              So she let the doctors believe it was drugs.  
                            It 
                              took many years of therapy for the child but, miraculously, 
                              this woman and her child have normal lives today. 
                               
                            Another 
                              woman has told me of the constant terror in which 
                              high-level Sea Org members live, the unbelievable 
                              paranoia of senior management, in which any criticism 
                              at all is taken as evidence that the staff member 
                              is working for an enemy of Scientology. She was 
                              assigned to the RPF after she voiced strong disagreements 
                              with the way senior management was treating staff 
                              members by not allowing them to sleep, subjecting 
                              them to devastating interrogations, and pushing 
                              them to the breaking point for imaginary disobedience. 
                               
                            She 
                              described several times in which this treatment 
                              brought her to the brink of losing her mind, times 
                              during which she could not remember who she was, 
                              where she was, or anything about her identity. Without 
                              question, they were trying to break her to keep 
                              her from being a threat to Scientology.  
                            Tragically, 
                              we will never have a chance to hear Lisa McPherson's 
                              story of imprisonment and abuse, or why it happened. 
                              Scientology succeeded in literally destroying her 
                              life.  
                            Several 
                              women have told of the heart-breaking series of 
                              abortions they were forced to undergo on orders 
                              of senior management. Because L. Ron Hubbard's view 
                              of children was that they are nothing but a distraction 
                              from production, these women were considered to 
                              be disobedient to have become pregnant and were 
                              not only ordered to have abortions but were given 
                              no financial assistance at all.  
                            Thus 
                              one woman told of having to spend the day waiting 
                              in line to obtain Medicare, having to lie about 
                              her circumstances so that Scientology would not 
                              be linked to her abortion or her poverty in any 
                              way. Some of these women have had multiple abortions 
                              and finally escaped when they became pregnant again 
                              and could not bear to abort another child. The scars 
                              of such experiences can never be erased.  
                            Others 
                              have told of senior management's obsession with 
                              illegal weapons, stockpiling AK-47s and Uzis, and 
                              of afternoons spent conducting shoot-a-thons, using 
                              photographs of critics and blown staff members as 
                              targets.  
                            Moreover, 
                              Scientology has virtually unlimited funds - they 
                              boast of spending a million dollars a week - to 
                              pay high-priced attorneys and private investigators 
                              to intimidate and harass critics and former members. 
                              Their cynicism and relentless vindictiveness knows 
                              no boundaries, and they will stop at nothing to 
                              destroy anyone who tries to stand in their way. 
                               
                            Given 
                              all of this, it is difficult enough for someone 
                              coming out of the devastating experience of Scientology. 
                              From what these people have described to me -- and 
                              mind you, these are the lucky ones, the ones who 
                              found the strength within themselves to escape -- 
                              they come out of this nightmare terribly disoriented, 
                              psychologically and emotionally numb, and with no 
                              clear understanding of what has happened to them. 
                              This gives rise to a succinct definition of a Scientologist: 
                              an individual who has been subjected to the behavioral 
                              modification procedures of Scientology, but who 
                              doesn't have the slightest idea what has actually 
                              been done to them.  
                            For 
                              some of Scientology's victims, the stigma of being 
                              a Scientologist is so ingrained by the cult's indoctrination 
                              that it can never be erased. For others, only competent 
                              exit counseling, intense therapy and time can repair 
                              the damage associated with having been a Scientologist. 
                              A key purpose of the counseling and therapy is a 
                              greater understanding of the Scientology experience, 
                              one which is not simple for anyone I have ever known 
                              who has been in Scientology to verbalize.  
                            So 
                              what are some of the characteristics of the Scientology 
                              experience on a conceptual level? These are some 
                              of the characteristics that have helped me to understand 
                              the basic sociopathology involved in this cult: 
                               
                            If 
                              you don't want people to recognize that you're a 
                              predator intent on possessing everything they have 
                              as your own, put on a kindly voice, make them laugh 
                              at things that have given them trouble, flatter 
                              them, and offer them help in removing whatever is 
                              blocking them from living a life of greater abundance. 
                               
                            If 
                              you don't want people to recognize their true vulnerability 
                              to outside influences (like you), tell them that 
                              in reality they are completely separable from any 
                              aspects of themselves that they consider vulnerable. 
                              Tell them that their essential nature is both non-material 
                              and "static" - which implies that they 
                              can't really be affected by anything. Weave tales 
                              that speak of their immortality. When they finally 
                              accept the idea that underneath appearances, nothing 
                              can affect them, they won't be able to recognize 
                              the fact that you are affecting the essential core 
                              of their awareness in ways they never even suspected. 
                               
                            If 
                              you want people to be unable to recognize the fact 
                              that you're taking control of their behavior, tell 
                              them that the only way they can be controlled is 
                              via factors in their midst that you want to help 
                              them be rid of. Go to great lengths to demonstrate 
                              that you are trying as best you can to free them 
                              from things that might control them against their 
                              will or against their best interests. If the act 
                              is convincing, it will be a long while before they 
                              finally suspect what you're actually doing.  
                            If 
                              you don't want people to realize they are becoming 
                              the effect of your will, tell them that your goal 
                              is to place them back into their rightful position 
                              as cause over their own environment. Tell them that 
                              your only interest is in seeing to it that they 
                              reach a state of greater freedom and power.  
                            If 
                              you don't want people to recognize how little they 
                              know about the structures and functions that grant 
                              them awareness, make a list of all the common assumptions 
                              about the mind, put them all together into one big 
                              package, embellish it with something called "new 
                              discoveries" and teach the subject like a university 
                              professor would teach physics.  
                            If 
                              you don't want people to recognize you as someone 
                              they can't trust, preach the value of your definition 
                              of ethical behavior to them. Punish those around 
                              you for what you have defined as unethical behavior. 
                               
                            For 
                              an artful predator like L. Ron Hubbard, the rule 
                              of thumb is this: if you don't want your prey to 
                              recognize what you are doing to them, do and say 
                              things that they would never expect to see or hear 
                              from a predator.  
                            In 
                              the inverted reality of Scientology, the soul of 
                              evil is bright and shining. The soul of evil is 
                              filled with happiness and hope and love. But deep 
                              inside, hidden away at the end of a maze of illusions, 
                              is the stuff of nightmares.  
                            Let 
                              me show you what a Scientology-controlled society 
                              would look like.  
                            In 
                              November 1996, a German task force was established 
                              by the Conference of German Ministers (IMK) to do 
                              a comprehensive investigation of Scientology. In 
                              their final report in 1998, Dr. Gunther Beckstein 
                              stated on behalf of the task force that:  
                            This 
                              report has shattered Scientology's propaganda facade 
                              of a harmless religious community.  
                            Scientology 
                              is striving for a different society, in which even 
                              non-scientologists will be "managed" by 
                              the Scientology "leaders of tomorrow" 
                              with what they consider to be superior methods. 
                               
                            Scientology 
                              wants to establish its own legal system that is 
                              binding upon everyone, with Scientology standards, 
                              but without any guarantee of the course of law, 
                              without the due process of law, without lawful and 
                              independent judges and without lawful administration. 
                               
                            Scientology 
                              disregards human rights (Article 1 of the Constitution) 
                              and the principle of equality (Article 3 of the 
                              Constitution), since only "cleared", "non-aberrant" 
                              scientologists are entitled to enjoy rights.  
                            In 
                              a 1995 article published by the Federal Republic 
                              of Germany under the title "A Giant Octopus 
                              Which is Frightened of Nothing" ["Ein 
                              Riesenkrake, der vor nichts zur?ckschreckt"] 
                              in Die Weltwoche, Norbert Blum wrote:  
                            "It 
                              is a matter of power. It is a matter of money. If 
                              we look at the world around us, then it rapidly 
                              becomes clear to us that we are dealing with a new 
                              form of sect that walks over bodies. I am thinking 
                              of the mass murders of the Solar Temple in Switzerland, 
                              the Aum sect in Japan, or the Davidians and militants 
                              in the United States. They fight their own battle 
                              and conduct entirely personal wars. We must prepare 
                              for this type of war, because war is not just when 
                              people are wounded or killed. .... Those who subjugate 
                              people in their innermost selves are conducting 
                              warfare. What I mean is the worldwide campaign of 
                              Scientology. There can be no pardon for that." 
                               
                            Many 
                              in this country consider it an exaggeration to compare 
                              Scientology to Nazi Germany; yet, clearly Germany 
                              today sees Scientology as utterly fascist. Germany 
                              is doing everything they can to stop Scientology 
                              and other totalist groups, because they recognize 
                              in them characteristics of another Nazi party.  
                            In 
                              Greece last week, the press reported that Scientology 
                              has obtained military intelligence secrets from 
                              the Greek government following Greece's expulsion 
                              of Scientology.  
                            Following 
                              a statement by Scientology's President, Heber Jentzsch's 
                              in Denmark last week that Scientology would be fully 
                              accepted within Europe during the next five to ten 
                              years, Spanish officials, the very next day, in 
                              their ongoing prosecution against Scientology, have 
                              requested thirty years of jail time for Mr. Jentzsch. 
                              Perhaps one day plus thirty years Mr. Jentzsch will 
                              also be accepted in Europe.  
                            In 
                              1996, the leader of Scientology in France was convicted 
                              of involuntary homicide when he was found to be 
                              responsible for having driven a Scientologist to 
                              suicide. Twelve other Scientologists were given 
                              lesser sentences relating to financial wrongdoing 
                              uncovered during the homicide investigation.  
                            In 
                              1997, a Milan court sentenced twenty-nine members 
                              of Scientology to between nine and twenty months 
                              of jail time for criminal association after they 
                              were found to have been defrauding members, committing 
                              extortion, cheating mentally incapacitated members, 
                              and evading as much as $50 million in taxes.  
                            Three 
                              years ago, the Supreme Court of Canada affirmed 
                              the largest single libel award in Canadian history 
                              -- $1.6 million - for attempting to smear Crown 
                              Prosecutor Casey Hill. Scientology decided to ruin 
                              Mr. Hill's reputation after Scientology was raided 
                              in a 1983 criminal investigation.  
                            In 
                              1991 Scientology in Toronto was criminally convicted 
                              for breach of the public trust after they stole 
                              police documents and spied on police and government 
                              agencies.  
                            Twenty 
                              years ago the FBI viewed Scientology as a menace 
                              to society when it staged the largest raid in U.S. 
                              history on the Guardian's Office, OSA's predecessor. 
                              Today, however, Scientology has miraculously transformed 
                              itself into a "religion" and assaults 
                              Washington with an army of celebrity puppets who 
                              rub shoulders with the leaders of our country and 
                              wax lyrical about the "benefits" of L. 
                              Ron Hubbard's technology.  
                            Our 
                              own media is asking serious questions about Scientology. 
                               
                            The 
                              Wall Street Journal, on February 24, 1998, questioned 
                              the methods used by Scientology to gain tax exempt 
                              status. The Journal suggested an "auditing 
                              session" for Scientology starting off with 
                              a question as to how the vast sums of money spent 
                              by Scientology to harass critics and litigate meets 
                              the IRS requirement that a 501 c-3 corporation spend 
                              its funds on charitable purposes.  
                            We 
                              also have The New York Times stating on March 16, 
                              1997, that "The great American religious saga 
                              of the 1990's may be the rise to power of a church 
                              that has successfully brought the Internal Revenue 
                              Service, the State Department and much of the American 
                              press to heel even as it did an end-run around the 
                              courts."  
                            On 
                              September 16, 1998, we have the Boston Globe, telling 
                              us in an editorial that Scientology is "one 
                              of the great anti-intellectual movements of our 
                              time." This is the Boston Globe saying that 
                              Scientologists are unable to use their minds creatively 
                              because they have been indoctrinated into a rigid 
                              script written by L. Ron Hubbard.  
                            Further, 
                              the United States has been warned by governments 
                              and judges all over the world during the last thirty 
                              years about the evils of Scientology, and yet we 
                              have other countries shaking their heads at the 
                              apparent naivete of our government. Clearly a massive 
                              education effort is needed to enlighten our government 
                              about this cult.  
                            The 
                              Internet can be extremely valuable in this education 
                              effort. Yet I am concerned that supposedly informed 
                              Internet critics are missing the boat. One critic 
                              recently wrote that Scientology is just a "silly 
                              little cult that sometimes can be harmful but by 
                              and large doesn't really do much damage to anybody." 
                              Others think it quite acceptable not to blame someone 
                              for being unable to understand Scientology.  
                            I 
                              strongly disagree with both of these sentiments. 
                              It is my firm conviction that we CAN blame people 
                              for not getting it, and in fact, we MUST. History 
                              has taught us many painful lessons about apathy, 
                              arrogance and ignorance. I consider attitudes reflected 
                              by these Internet statements to be the result of 
                              sheer laziness on the part of Netizens. They are 
                              not willing to invest the time to understand the 
                              fabric or construction of the Scientology experience. 
                              And if you don't understand it, you cannot maximize 
                              your effectiveness as a critic of Scientology.  
                            One 
                              Scientology critic on the Internet, Kristi Wachter 
                              of San Francisco, recently wrote a letter to the 
                              editor of the San Jose Mercury News in response 
                              to a Scientologist's claim that "interest in 
                              Scientology has never been higher." Ms. Wachter 
                              certainly got it right when she stated that yes, 
                              indeed, interest in Scientology has never been higher: 
                              "Investigative reporters, government agencies 
                              and concerned individuals are increasingly interested 
                              in the evidence of Scientology's criminal and deceptive 
                              acts. And Scientology may have become the most-picketed 
                              church in the world, averaging a picket every day...." 
                               
                            This 
                              is the type of vigilance that is necessary to keep 
                              Scientology from running roughshod in the United 
                              States over our civil rights, the legal system, 
                              and the civil and human rights of its captives. 
                               
                            All 
                              of us here tonight know that our best source of 
                              truth on the nature of Scientology is former cult 
                              members. Yet, ironically, it has been my experience 
                              on the Internet that there is a prejudice against 
                              former cult members generally that interferes with 
                              hearing what they have to say. Intenet critics must 
                              overcome this prejudice if they are ever to comprehend 
                              the evil that is germinating through the looking-glass 
                              of this nightmare world, happening right here in 
                              the United States. The global nature of the Internet 
                              clearly enhances our ability to change these attitudes, 
                              which seem to be primarily concentrated in the United 
                              States.  
                            In 
                              this way, we can hope that enough momentum will 
                              build, so that the United States will eventually 
                              take a stand against this evil cult. Scientology 
                              is both a menace to our society and to our way of 
                              life.  
                            In 
                              closing I would like to quote from a review of the 
                              book Dianetics. It was written by Milton Sapirstein 
                              and published in "The Nation" in 1950. 
                              I first noticed this quote in the Washington Post 
                              on December 6, 1998, when Richard Leiby wrote about 
                              Lisa McPherson's life and death in Scientology. 
                              I was very taken by Sapirstein's grasp of this evil 
                              forty-eight years ago:  
                            "The 
                              real, and, to me, inexcusable danger in dianetics 
                              lies in its conception of the amoral, detached, 
                              100 per cent efficient mechanical man - superbly 
                              free-floating, unemotional, and unrelated to anything. 
                              This is the authoritarian dream, a population of 
                              zombies, free to be manipulated by the great brains 
                              of the founder, the leader of the inner manipulative 
                              clique."  
                            The 
                              entire counter-cult community exists to ensure that 
                              this message continues to be heard. I personally 
                              am proud to be a part of this movement and to count 
                              you as my friends.  
                            Thank 
                              you for your attention to my remarks tonight!  
                             
                             
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