June 16, 1998
produced a lengthy profile of Bob Minton
and his efforts to reform the Scientology
this Fair Use excerpt of the show, we are
introduced to Bob Minton.
tries very hard to mask its true identity
but the internet makes that difficult.
doing his own research, Bob Minton decided
to speak out about "The Dark Side of
tries to level the playing field but it
is not an easy task.
explains why he has made the commitment
to seek the reform of Scientology.
attacks anyone who speaks out against the
organization. Mike Rinder discusses
Hubbard's policies about critics.
former Scientologist Intelligence Officer
talks about Scientology's use of "Fair
uses Private Investigators to dig up dirt
on critics. This is a reflection of
aunt explains how Scientology's actions
have adversely affected their family.
Rinder shows how Scientology smears the
character of those they perceive to be their
Rinder shows how Scientology "turns
a scratch into a broken arm."
of Full Show
of video is in italics. VO = VOICEOVER
This is "Dateline", Tuesday, June 16,
of Bob Minton on left side of screen; Scientology
Hes a one man crusade.
MINTON: The more I got involved, the more frightening
the organization as a whole became to me.
Minton picketing (on left side of screen); Scientology
And he says nothing will stop him.
HOCKENBERRY: Are you nuts?
MINTON: A lot of people would question my insanity
on that score.
of Bob Minton at picket (on left side of screen);
Why is he doing it?
Do you have any evidence that theyre really
evil and destructive?
MINTON: Yes. Shattered lives, broken families,
Minton picketing (on left side of screen); Scientology
But when he turned on Scientology, Scientology
turned on him.
People who oppose you are undoubtedly criminals?
RINDER: I believe that, yes.
Is Bob Minton a criminal?
I think that we will, we will discover that at
and John Hockenberry (on left side of screen);
Scientologys Los Angeles church
John Hockenberry on one mans battle against
the Church of Scientology.
PAULEY: Good evening. What would make you dedicate
your life to a cause? Not talking about just signing
a petition or making a donation; we mean spending
most of your time and much of your hard-earned
money, risking inconvenience, ridicule and heartache.
The man youre about to meet has done all
that, speaking out for people he barely knew because
he believed theyd been victimized by the
Church of Scientology. The question youll
want to ask is "Why?". John Hockenberry
on one mans crusade.
crusader"; producer: Sharon Isaak Hoffman;
editor: Robert D. Allen"
MINTON (giving a speech): I am involved in a controversy
with the Church of Scientology over what I consider
to be one of the most fundamental rights in a
democracy. That is, the right to speak freely.
Minton giving speech; Bob Minton and his wife
at home; Bob Minton and Grady Ward picketing;
Church of Scientology building
You've probably never heard of Robert Minton.
But at age 51, this soft-spoken former investment
banker has decided to turn what was once a peaceful,
financially secure early retirement into a one-man
campaign to turn the Church of Scientology on
MINTON: At the core of Scientology is a very evil
An evil disguised as a church? Bob Minton has
lots of terrible things to say about a group that
simply claims to offer a path to success and enlightenment.
The United States government, in fact, recognizes
scientology as a tax-exempt religious organization.
But Bob Minton has risked everything in the cause
to convince people that the Church of Scientology
is a dangerous cult, a charge that the group emphatically
Introduction to Scientology" video clip including
someone dropping a seed and it turning into a
tree and footage of L. Ron Hubbard; pictures of
What exactly is Scientology? The man who could
best answer that question died in 1986 -- Scientology's
founder, L. Ron Hubbard, shown here in this video
the church sells. Scientology is based on Hubbard's
world views. His writings contain ruminations
about ancient galaxies, reincarnation and a deep
hatred for the practice of psychiatry. Hubbard
himself claims to have discovered a unique self-help
RON HUBBARD (from "An Introduction to Scientology"
video): Take an individual and put them in a position
where they can confront their own problems and
solve their own problems, and so bring themselves
up by their own bootstraps.
Angeles church; Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman;
Lisa Marie Presley; Kirstie Alley and John Travolta
It's this whole notion of self-empowerment as
the key to success that seems to draw some of
Hollywood's biggest stars to Scientology, including
Tom Cruise and his wife, Nicole Kidman, Lisa Marie
Presley, Kirstie Alley and John Travolta.
TRAVOLTA: I found Scientology, and that gave me
a kind of sanity -- the technology I found so
brilliant, that that kind of put things in perspective
session; close-ups of e-meter
The "technology" Scientologists talk
about involves one-on-one counseling called "auditing,"
and the use of electronic body monitors called
"e-meters." Together, they're supposed
to help clear Scientologists of the negative past
experiences that keep them from succeeding.
Succeeding like Mike Rinder says he has. Rinder
is a senior official in the Church of Scientology.
It's a way of uncovering for yourself the cause
of those things which you perceive hold you back,
all those things which you would like to solve,
all those areas in your life that you would like
to have a greater understanding of.
in Los Angeles
Sounds great, but Scientology's critics say that's
the con. Some former members say this "religion
that promises a higher awareness" delivers
of Scientology courses
By the time you learn the secrets of Scientology,
they say, you'll be brainwashed and broke.
(on camera): But these days, learning the closely
guarded secrets of scientology is as easy as logging
onto the internet. There, critics of the organization
have posted scientology's copyrighted documents.
documents including OT-3 (including portions of
it in L. Ron Hubbards own handwriting);
the phrases "his name was Xenu" (in
L. Ron Hubbards writing) and "killed
with hydrogen bombs" scrolling across screen
There you can learn L. Ron Hubbard's teaching
of how 75 billion years ago, an evil galactic
overlord named Xenu transported all the universe's
bad people to earth in spaceships and then blew
them up with hydrogen bombs.
of L. Ron Hubbard, including one of him auditing
Hubbard teaches that these exploded souls are
the root of all human problems and that only Scientology
can clear them out to make way for happiness and
Clambake" home page; promo picture of Scientologists;
"The Bridge to Total Freedom" course
Until these secrets became public, critics say
the only way to learn about Xenu and the exploded
souls was to pay money. Going up the ladder of
Scientology, they say, is expensive, sometimes
thousands of dollars to advance just one level.
And if you can't pay to advance, there's another
promo video of Scieno man and woman shaking hands;
Devoted followers literally sign billion-year
contracts to serve the church, where former members
say you don't have to pay, but are inducted into
a highly structured lifestyle that can involve
periods of forced labor or disconnecting from
your own family.
ERLICH: I've been locked in the basement.
(not sure of name): They intercepted calls from
my parents, they intercept mail from people.
You know, the critics will say almost anything.
Scientology regularly and forcefully denies the
accusations from what it says are a tiny number
of critics, all with questionable backgrounds,
several of whom have lost copyright infringement
lawsuits brought by the church for making public
secret church documents.
of a long bridge ascending up to the top of a
cliff; another Scientology promo picture; more
Church officials insist that one can advance in
Scientology without paying money or giving up
freedom. Scientology, they say, is really no different
from other religions which must also fight the
hateful intolerance around them.
You've been accused of having dirty hands, and
your intention has been to harass and intimidate
critics into silence
MINTON: The more I got involved in the Church
of Scientology, the more frightening the organization
as a whole became to me.
at computer; critics web pages; quick glimpse
It was about two years ago that multimillionaire
retiree Bob Minton first logged on to the internet
and started to read the critics' stories of being
harassed and hounded by the church. He can't explain
why, exactly, but the stories moved him to act.
He made contact with many of the people he read
about. He found himself believing them, and that
he could help in their fights against Scientology.
MINTON: The time has come to stand up to these
What do you say to the thousands of Scientologists
who join voluntarily, think it's going great,
that it's helping them in fact, and they don't
want to see anything changed. so, "Thank
you very much, Bob Minton, but go back to what
you were doing."?
MINTON: Well then, lets--this is what I
would really encourage then, that those people
within Scientology take a look at the other side
of Scientology, what a lot of people like to call
the dark side of Scientology.
MINTON: My first reaction was, "Are you brain
dead? Why do we have to do this?"
and Bob Minton at home
Therese Minton has been married to Bob for 19
Has your husband ever done anything like this
in the past?
MINTON: No, he's never really had the opportunity.
I mean, he's, hes given--he's a very charitable
person. He's given, you know, money to various
churches and charities and schools, but not something
of this type.
Minton walking down street
In fact, nothing in Bob Minton's past would suggest
his present course. He's a church-going Catholic
who professes a live-and-let-live attitude about
other religions. And causes? His wife Therese
says, "Not Bob."
Did you ever say to him though, maybe tennis?
MINTON: Yes, there were times when I did say,
you know, "Why can't we do something a little
more normal, a little more mainstream?" But
it just wasn't striking the right chord, and there
came a point in time when I knew that this was
Minton at desk writing a check
In the beginning, Minton's involvement was mostly
about writing checks, big ones to people who said
they'd been hurt by the church.
papers; FACTNet web site; more picketing
Minton has funded lawsuits, rescued an anti-cult
organization, given weary defendants and broken-down
activists the means to fight on. To date, he's
handed out more than 1.7 million of his own dollars
to some of Scientology's harshest critics.
That's a lot of money.
MINTON: It is. But keep in mind that in this,
in this battle with Scientology, I'm the little
guy. Scientology are the big guys.
Scientology church; Scieno rally from Church of
Scientology video; more promotional Scientology
footage of classrooms where they hold their literacy
Just how big is the multimillion-dollar question.
The church claims 8 million followers around the
world, but the critics say by their count, it's
more like hundreds of thousands. The global reach
of Scientology is undeniable. Its urban literacy
projects and anti-drug crusades are welcome in
the cities and towns where they have won numerous
civic awards and citations.
Scientology church; Mike Rinder walking down street
The church is also clearly very wealthy. And Scientology
officials claim like lots of successful people,
they have attracted their share of jealous, disgruntled
critics and lawsuits.
The church says you're something of a lifeboat
for a small group of very disturbed people, who
make outrageous claims on the internet.
MINTON: It may seem outrageous to the Church of
Scientology, but they don't to me.
But do you have any evidence that they're really
evil and destructive?
MINTON: Yes. Shattered lives, broken families,
mental fragility. A recovery process that takes
an incredibly long time.
Although some people would say these people were
mentally fragile and a little odd before they
went into the Church of Scientology.
MINTON: Well, if you--that would be the easiest
thing to say. But they're no different than you
or me, by and large. And any of us, at some stage
of our life, could be vulnerable to the type of
seduction that a cult can pull off.
and Stacy Young with their cats at their home
Not surprisingly, Minton has developed a loyal
and passionate following among some former Scientologists.
In the home of Vaughn and Stacy Young, the name
Bob Minton is practically holy.
YOUNG: You've heard of these types that, you know,
people call them angels -- that just show up and
they just do these things.
and Stacy Young at their home; sign outside Church
of Scientology building
Vaughn Young and his wife, Stacy, left the church
in 1989, embittered by their experience and determined
to start a new life.
of Seattle skyline; Vaughn and Stacy Young walking
up the steps to the door of their home
They rented a house in Seattle and opened a sanctuary
for abandoned cats and dogs. But a few years later,
the Youngs decided to go public, criticizing the
church as a dangerous cult. And they provoked
what they say was an all out assault by the church
to destroy their lives.
YOUNG: They will find your vulnerability and,
and use that to try to silence you.
newsletter titled, "An Indecent Proposal:
The True Story of Robert Vaughn Young and Stacy
Young"; highlighted captions, "Vaughn
and Stacy tried to extract $50,000", "sleeping
around in Seattle"; older picture of Vaughn
and Stacy Young; picture of Stacy holding a cat
In the summer of 1994, a newsletter showed up
around the Youngs' neighborhood, accusing them
of things like extortion and promiscuity. Over
the next three years, they learned that private
investigators were asking suspicious questions
of their friends and neighbors and accusing the
Youngs of harboring diseased cats.
Church of Scientology building; older picture
of Vaughn Young; picture of Stacy Young; Stacy
Young at home petting one of their cats
The Church of Scientology denies trying to harass
Vaughn and Stacy Young. It says the Youngs were
happy church members until they decided they could
make money selling what it calls untrue horror
stories of life in the church. But whoever called
the neighbors, zoning officials and City Hall
to complain about the Youngs' animal shelter succeeded
in getting the city to shut it down.
YOUNG: We were about a week and a half away from
having to move. We were in a state of catastrophe.
and Stacy Young and John Hockenberry
And right around that time, Stacy and Vaughn got
a phone call.
YOUNG: He just said, he says, "My name is
Bob Minton, I read what was happening with your
animal sanctuary. And I just want to know if there's
some way that I could help you out."
the Youngs home; inside the Youngs
home; close-up of one of their cats
Out of the blue, this Bob Minton, this voice on
the phone, came into their lives. He bought the
Youngs a new house where they could legally keep
their animals for $250,000. Incredibly, he saved
the animal shelter. Stacy says she'll never forget
the day she picked up her new key.
YOUNG: We came to the house, we opened the front
door and Bob Minton had a huge bouquet of flowers
(laughing) on the table for us. It was incredible.
It was real! It really was real!
And you still hadn't--
YOUNG: And we'd never met this guy! And he just
said, "Welcome to your new house. Congratulations."
MINTON: A lot of my friends say, "You know,
these people are not your problems."
They're not, are they?
MINTON: But they are. I mean, we all do have a
responsibility to each other.
Minton leaving building and walking down street
Bob Minton's "love thy neighbor" justification
for becoming Scientology's public enemy number
one sounds like something else to church officials.
Bob Minton falls into a category similar to those
anti-Semites who are out to make it seem like
there's something wrong with being a Jew.
and Rinder; Bob Minton picketing with Garry Scarff
Senior Scientology official Mike Rinder and his
colleagues at the church think Minton is an impressionable
man who's been manipulated by the critics and
I think that he has decided that this is some
crusade. Something that will get attention for
himself. Maybe he was bored. Maybe he's an idle
millionaire that doesn't have anything better
to do in life.
Minton at Little League practice
MINTON: Good eye, good eye!
But if Bob Minton was bored before, he's not any
more. Because he is finding out for himself, when
you pick a fight with the Church of Scientology,
this church does not turn the other cheek.
L. Ron Hubbard says, "We do not find critics
of Scientology who do not have criminal pasts.
Over and over we prove this. We have this technical
fact--those who oppose us have crimes to hide."
Do you believe that?
People who oppose you are undoubtedly criminals?
I believe that, yeah.
Is Bob Minton a criminal?
I think that we will, we will, uh, discover that
at some point.
PAULEY: When we return--will the Scientology investigation
find out anything about Bob Minton?
From Studio 3B in New York, here is Stone Phillips.
PHILLIPS: Returning to our story, Bob Minton is
a private citizen, who has committed his time
and his considerable personal resources to fighting
the Church of Scientology. Now, the Church of
Scientology turns its considerable resources on
Bob Minton. Here again, John Hockenberry.
Minton giving a speech
MINTON: This is truly an organization whose so-called
leaders have no shame whatsoever.
Minton giving a speech; Bob Minton and others
Bob Minton is now a crusader against the Church
of Scientology, giving speeches, leading protests,
in addition to giving money. His now very visible
campaign against Scientology's tactics and money
trail has, in effect, painted a bright target
(voice of): You know who these folks are. I mean,
they have unbelievable loyalty to the church,
they sign billion-year contracts. And you've signed
up to go against them all.
(on camera): Are you nuts?
MINTON: A lot of people would question my sanity
on that score.
Minton at his computer; painting of Martin Luther;
picketers at various locations
But they would not question his resolve. Bob Minton
says he wants to become for the Church of Scientology
what Martin Luther was to the Catholic Church
hundreds of years ago. He wants to lead a mass
protest movement to reform Scientology, to allow
free discussion and to liberate Scientology's
beleaguered critics. In fact, what burns Bob Minton
up the most about Scientology is the lengths he
says it goes to silence its critics.
He is probably as misinformed or uninformed about
that as he is about everything else that he says
about Scientologists. You know, there isn't and
hasn't been any effort which has been taken to
That's a claim that this former member of the
church says is simply ridiculous.
OLIVER: When someone speaks out against Scientology,
they're considered fair game. They can be lied,
sued, tricked, cheated, anything to stop them.
Olivers IAS card and his I.D.
Frank Oliver says he knows Scientologists will
try to scare Bob Minton into shutting up, because
as a church intelligence officer, he used to do
that kind of work himself.
(on camera): The things that I saw, and the people
that I spoke to and the things that Scientology
does, that's not known by the broad populace of
of a bunch of Scienos going into Scientology church;
Frank Oliver on camera
(voice of and on camera): I think it would frighten
a lot of them if they knew what their religion
was really about, if they knew how far they'll
go to protect their religion.
Oliver looking out at a bay or lake; "old"
Cult Awareness Network newsletters, including
one with headline article about them being forced
Oliver's interview with "Dateline" is
the first time he's spoken publicly since he left
the church in disgust in 1992, following a summer
in which he says he was recruited to investigate
the Cult Awareness Network, a group that at the
time was a declared enemy of the Church of Scientology.
Our stated purpose was to bring about the destruction
of the Cult Awareness Network.
of Scieno filming picketers; Bob Minton and Frank
Oliver at L.A. picket
Oliver says church investigators follow critics,
threaten them, talk to everyone they know and
hunt for dirt if a critic like Bob Minton doesn't
have actual crimes in his background, Oliver says,
the church takes minor transgressions and blows
them up; in his words, "take a scratch and
make it into a broken arm."
They're looking for something criminal; something
criminal or something moral injustice; something,
anything that can be taken and made into whatever
they need it made into.
section: "The maxim is--when under attack--attack"
And that's straight from the writings of Scientology
founder L. Ron Hubbard. The maxim is, "When
under attack, attack,'" he once wrote.
highlighted section (the quote read below)
"It is only those people that have crimes
that will attack us, and they will so back off
for fear of being found out when attacked back."
That sounds a little paranoid, Mike.
(chuckling): Maybe so, John, but I, I--
Why aren't they just people who disagree with
Well, I think that there's a difference between
people who disagree and people who are on some
sort of an active crusade or a campaign to attempt
to destroy the church. I think that thats--
Well, L. Ron Hubbard here says that the difference
is that they are criminals invariably, in their
past are crimes.
Yeah, I think that that's true.
Now, he also says, "Try it on your next critic,
finding their crimes. Like everything else in
Scientology, it works."
It sounds like that's saying, "Go out and
investigate your critics."
I think that you could characterize it that way,
yeah. I think that, that looking into the motivation
of people as to why it is that they are seeking
to destroy the church is a valid thing to do.
Minton at his computer; farm house
There are plenty of critics of Scientology against
whom the church takes no action. But the investigation
of Robert Minton started last November, and it
started with his family in Tennessee.
MEDWEDEFF: He came in and he said, "I am
David Lee," and handed me his card. "I'm
an investigator and I want to talk to you about
Medwedeff and her husband walking out of their
Carolyn Medwedeff is Bob Minton's aunt. She works
as a receptionist in her husband's dental office.
And when investigator David Lee, working on behalf
of the church, just showed up one day in the office
waiting room, she says, he wasn't just asking
for information, he was also giving it out.
He was just trying to say that Bob had been terrible
to his mother, and that he thought Bob should
help his mother and get off of this Scientology
of Bob Minton and his brothers; picture of Bob
Minton and his son
Lee then tracked down Bob's brothers, his father,
his son from a previous marriage and both of his
You know, these people don't have nice things
to say about Bob Minton. His, his former wives
talk about how he beat em up, and his son
is pretty upset about how he was mistreated by
Minton and Hockenberry; Bob Minton walking down
Bob Minton denies beating his ex-wives, although
his first wife told "Dateline" Bob hit
her once. But there's no denying that Scientology
has managed to stir up a lot of old animosities.
of Bob Minton and his son; Vaughn and Stacy Young
in their home; another picture of Bob Minton and
For instance, Bob's son Rob says he's always had
money issues with his father. But learning from
a Scientology investigator that his dad spent
a quarter of a million dollars to buy some strangers
a house was deeply upsetting. He told "Dateline"
this was the last straw between him and his father.
MINTON: The Church of Scientology destroys families.
They know how to stir those issues up, you know;
they clearly were trying to do the same types
of things with the relationship between me and
my son, which is clearly a--a button that they
saw I was vulnerable on and would like to push.
And they pushed it.
MINTON: And they did.
His mother is upset about the fact that he's dishing
off hundreds of thousands of dollars to people
whom he doesn't even know and--
Yet she does, she has--
A mortgage on a house and he gives her a loan
rather than gives her money.
Okay. A cynical view would say if your investigator
is going to Bob Minton's mom and saying, "Did
you know he is giving money?"--
And she gets outraged, and that gets back to Bob,
that sounds more like harassment to me.
It sounds more like an investigation to me. But
certainly, let's, lets put the shoe on the
other foot for a minute. Bob Minton is going around
to the media saying, "Did you know Scientologists
do this, did you know Scientologists do that?",
you know, he characterizes that as free speech.
Well, it is free speech.
Well, certainly it's no different.
Minton at his computer
but Bob Minton says there is a significant difference.
Scientology is a powerful organization that seeks
out the powerless to stir up trouble.
Mintons mother laying in bed; Bob Mintons
aunt Carolyn Medwedeff; another picture of Bob
Bob's mother has severe emphysema and dementia
and bob's aunt Carolyn says the investigator took
advantage of her, confusing her, putting words
in her mouth and taking other statements out of
She has been in the hospital emergency twice since
then. She's in a nursing home. It devastated her
when she found out what David Lee did.
Minton and one of the Mintons children at
their home; picture of Scienos picketing outside
the Mintons home
And Bob's current wife, Therese, say the church
has brought its campaign right to her doorstep.
Leaflets about Bob arrived on their daughter's
Which said what?
MINTON: Oh, Bob was a member of the Ku Klux Klan,
he's a religious bigot, he's suppressing. The
most unbelievable garbage.
and Therese Minton; footage of beach on the Caribbean;
anti-Minton flyer titled "Facts about Robert
S. Minton--highlighted text, "exploited the
people of Third World countries", "second
wife--brutal beatings", "supporting
a ring which includes wife beaters, child molesters
and a pornography editor."
Therese Minton says hate leaflets, that church
leaders deny having anything to do with, also
found their way to the family's vacation this
past spring. On the beaches of the Caribbean,
Minton was accused of having exploited the people
of third world countries to make millions, of
brutally beating his ex-wife and of supporting
a ring which includes wife beaters, child molesters
and a pornography editor.
outside talking to several people
In fact, by this April, Minton says church investigators
had managed to bad mouth him to most of the people
he had ever worked with or known, going back decades
and on four continents.
MINTON: It is pure and simple harassment. you
know, they've tried to turn my family against
me. They've tried to paint me as some insane person.
walking down street; outside of Scientology church
An associate of Minton says that investigators
chillingly dropped hints that he was unstable,
worried that Bob would suddenly walk into a church
and begin shooting Scientologists.
MINTON: These are not the, the types of things
that one does when they're conducting a legitimate
and ethical investigation.
I don't know what motivates this guy, I don't
know what. But on the other hand if you asked
me, do I know what motivated Timothy McVeigh to
go blow up a building because his view is that
the people sitting inside that building are violating
the rights of citizens of the United States, I
don't know why he does that. I, I dont know
that you could--
Now, you've just compared Bob Minton to Timothy
No, motivation. Like, what is it that motivates
someone to, to do that? I don't know. I don't
know how you tell someone does that before they
All right, but you very deliberately compared
Bob Minton to Timothy McVeigh.
Minton and his daughter at home; Minton and others
picketing in L.A.
Minton says he has no plans to shoot or blow up
anyone. But having to respond to such a charge
at all is one sign of how completely his quiet
life has changed since he decided to take on Scientology.
What would it take for you to walk away from this
MINTON: The Church of Scientology would have to
make some serious reforms.
Minton at his computer
But toward the end of producing this story, we
learned that, to our surprise, Mike Rinder and
Bob Minton have now met twice to talk about Minton's
with Church of Scientology Office of Special Affairs
letterheads, highlighted quote, "hopeful
you will reconsider; Hockenberry and Rinder
Then the church sent "Dateline" several
letters asking us to reconsider our story. Mike
Rinder says Bob Minton may now have a whole new
attitude about Scientology.
I think that he is learning things that he didn't
know before, admittedly so. And that perhaps he
is coming to the realization that some of these
people that he has been dealing with have misled
Minton at his computer
But when "Dateline" talked to Bob Minton
last Friday, he said he hasn't changed his mind
at all about the church.
MINTON: I'm still very much of the belief that
the Church of Scientology hurts people.
of Scientology church
MINTON (voice of): And I'm not changing my focus.
And the church doesn't seem terribly interested
in Minton's efforts to reform it either.
Well, it's all sort of an arrogant view to think
that because he has a lot of money to give to
people that he is going to somehow get us to change
our religion. We're not.
outside Scientology church; more picketers
Rinder told "Dateline" the church thinks
it's unfair that the media constantly focuses
on the claims of a few critics and ignores what
it says are all the good things Scientology does.
The carping criticism or yapping things that happen
over on the side get attention and certainly they
attract attention in the media, but theyre
not really the story of what Scientology is.
Oliver walking down street
Rinder also told "Dateline" he'd learned
a few things about former Scientologist Frank
Oliver, who, remember, told us just how seriously
Scientology takes the investigation of its critics.
What can you tell me about Frank Oliver?
Um, well, I can tell you a couple of things. First--
Rinder then proceeded to make, on camera, a number
of unsubstantiated charges against Oliver.
supposedly of Frank Olivers driving record,
highlighted quotes, "Frank Oliver",
"improper lane change"
But the only evidence of Oliver's run-ins with
the law was this document purporting to show the
driving record of a Frank Oliver. Among some speeding
tickets, it shows an improper lane change.
Minton and others picketing in front of the barricaded-off
block of Los Angeles Church of Scientology on
L. Ron Hubbard Way
So what does the future hold for Bob Minton? Mike
Rinder says if Minton decides he made a big mistake
and walks away from his campaign against the church,
the church won't investigate him anymore. And
I think ultimately that will come out that he's
been engaged in criminal activities, sure.
Can they shut you down, the church, through their
MINTON: There have been emotional times that one
really has to question how many punches you wish
Can you take a lot more punches?
MINTON: I think so. You know, I am setting an
example to show people that this organization
is not invulnerable to being criticized. That
they cannot destroy everybody, all the time, who
is willing to stand up to them.
PHILLIPS: Bob Minton says he wants to continue
meeting with Scientology officials in the hopes
of convincing them to reform the movement. If
that fails, he says hell keep fighting and
spending money to support the church's critics
until his wife tells him to stop.
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