December 22, 1985
update of a story aired in 1980. Mike
Wallace enters the Scientology compound
and finds an audience for his interview
with Earl Cooley and Heber Jentzsch.
show can be viewed at Anti-Cult's
of video in italics; VO=VOICEOVER of Mike Wallace
of "Dianetics" book
It all began back in 1950 with the publication
of the best selling book "Dianetics: The
Modern Science of Mental Health" by L. Ron
L. Ron Hubbard books, poster of L. Ron Hubbard
L. Ron Hubbard, previously a writer of pulp fiction,
claimed to have discovered after years of research
that man was unable to handle his own problems,
that he needed help.
book, Scientology church
Thus was born Scientology, a religion that says
it can reveal to an individual a practical way
to find himself, more fully to realize himself.
of L. Ron Hubbard, close-up of e-meter, demonstration
Hubbard, a recluse who hasnt been seen in
years, invented something called the e-meter.
Church ministers, or auditors, use the meter to
measure an individuals nervous responses,
much in the way a lie detector does. Scientologists
claim the e-meter can help locate their past unhappy
experiences and by so doing blanch them out, help
them to reach a state of Clear, of self-realization.
of Scientology books; closeups of HCOPLs on Ethics,
Justice, Financial Management
And there are other teachings of L. Ron Hubbard,
thousands of pages. Hubbard on Ethics, on Justice,
on High Finance.
Scientology has attracted, according to its own
estimates, upwards of six million followers worldwide.
People like actor John Travolta, who was interviewed
by Pat Collins of CBS News.
The, the recent practices that I have--that I
have studied in Scientology have been invaluable
Have you ever met Ron Hubbard?
Id love to; Id be--Id be honored,
because I think hes so brilliant.
While Travolta isnt the only Scientologist
who has never seen Hubbard, hardly any Scientologists
have ever seen him.
Ron Hubbard interview from 1966
This 1966 interview produced by the Church of
Scientology is one of the few glimpses anyone
will ever get of the man.
HUBBARD: Man IS asleep. He IS hypnotized and Scientology
reverts the process and you make him wake up and
he gradually gets more and more alert and he's
more and more wide awake and his IQ rises higher
and higher and he's more and more capable of knowing
what's going on about him.
But according to the Scientologists, the U.S.
Government early on began to harass L. Ron Hubbard
and his church, and it is true that as early as
the 1950s Scientology came under the scrutiny
of various government agencies.
The Food and Drug Administration was skeptical
about the use of the e-meter. The FDA considered
it not a religious artifact but a medical device.
document about L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology books,
picture of L. Ron Hubbard
And both the FBI and the IRS have over the years
launched investigations into Scientology and into
L. Ron Hubbard without any formal charges ever
being brought against the man.
He has inspired hatred; some men have inspired
love. And this is sad, because his most ardent
ambitionhe has, and he has told his followers
to use this phrase; its his phrasehe
wants to be known, and tears come to their eyes
when they say it, he wants to be known as the
friend of man.
Author Omar Garrison, not himself a Scientologist,
was commissioned by the church to write the Hubbard
He wants to clear this planet of war, of crime,
and of disease. And he sincerely believes that
he has the formula for doing it.
books and literature, Scientology church
Part of that formula has been to expose government
scandals like the CIAs germ warfare tests
on unknowing subjects and to expose government
invasions of privacy. But aside from the good
works that Scientology has done, some former Scientologists
describe a church that has become overzealous,
sometimes almost paranoid about anyone perceived
as an enemy.
Cooper giving a speech, Operation Freakout documents
For instance, in 1980 we interviewed Paulette
Cooper. She had written a book critical of Scientology,
so to try to silence her, the so-called Guardian's
Office of the Church cooked up a scheme to steal
Cooper's stationary and make it appear that she
had sent the church two bomb threats, a crime
she did not commit.
And as a result I was arrested. I was indicted
on three counts. I faced up to 15 years in jail
if I was convicted. The whole ordeal fighting
these charges took eight months. It cost me $19,000
in legal fees. I went into such a depression,
I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't write.
I went down to 83 pounds. Finally I took and passed
a sodium pentathol, or truth serum, test and the
government dropped the charges against me in 1975.
Freakout documents--underlined words: "OPERATION
FREAKOUT", "to get P.C. incarcerated",
"she drops her attacks", "to hit
her so hard", "Graffiti Task Force",
"P.C.s name", "subways or
subways wall", "phone calls"
Another church plot against Cooper was called
Operation Freakout. Intended to get her placed
in a mental institution until she stopped writing
about Scientology. Church officials even launched
a graffiti campaign against Cooper.
They put my name up on walls in New York City
where I live, with my phone number, so people
would call me. They put my name on pornographic
mailing lists, so that I would get all kinds of
disgusting mail. You see, for years I was saying
that these types of things were going on and people
thought "Well, what is she talking about?
This is a church." And finally, after 11
years I see that everything I said was true and
that Scientology turned out to be worse than anything
I ever said or even imagined.
Paulette Cooper has since come to a legal settlement
with the church.
Wallace with two Scientology spokesmen
In 1980 these two church spokesmen had told us
that the kinds of things done to Paulette Cooper
were committed by a small group of overzealous
Wallace with Laurel Sullivan
But, more recently, listen to what this woman
said happened to her after she left Scientology
and began to speak out.
I have been harassed. I have been sued twice.
I have been followed. I have had people at my
workplace try to get me fired, who were Scientologists.
I have had private investigators go to my former
employers and tell them I was a missing person
and my parents were looking for me, to find my
Laurel Sullivan was for eight years the personal
public relations officer to L. Ron Hubbard himself.
Because she so admired the man, she says, she
ignored the negative aspects of Scientology.
I chose not to know things. There are things that
don't quite add up, but when he tells you something,
you believe it.
Sullivan says that thousands of Scientologists
are turning a blind eye to much of what goes on
They have chosen not to read the press about Scientology,
if it's negative. They have chosen not to question
themselves. They have chosen not to question,
"Why am I here?".
Wallace with Omar Garrison
Even Omar Garrison, one time a Scientology sympathizer,
has had second thoughts.
I think at the moment this--the organization,
the cult-- is in the hands of the most fanatical
followers, adherents of Mr. Hubbard, who you could
equate with the, the followers of Ayatollah Khomeini.
The current church leadership is located at the
Scientology headquarters in Los Angeles. We wanted
to know what they had to say.
Jentzsch, Earl Cooley, Scientology videotape camera
operators, large group of Scientologists sitting
in the room
And the Scientologists, although unhappy with
our report in 1980, finally agreed to an interview.
But this time, the Scientologists, convinced that
we were out to attack their church, arranged with
several of their videotape cameras to be trained
on us at all times during the session. Church
President, the Rev. Heber Jentzsch, had his attorney
Earl Cooley sitting at his side throughout the
interview, and almost 100 Scientologists were
called in as witnesses.
Scientology is the only road to total freedom,
whether you agree with it or not, that is the
truth. And HE has outlined the way to do it.
(Jentzsch also says "total freedom"
the same time Wallace does). That's the only road?
I said, the only road to TOTAL freedom.
Yes. What does that mean? "Only road to total
Oh, is there some word there you don't understand?
I, I, I don't understand the concept. I mean--what
kind of freedom are we talking about?
of L. Ron Hubbard
And, as for the founder, L. Ron Hubbard?
Jentzch on camera, display of awards received
by L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology literature
I think he's probably one of the greatest men
that ever lived. I think that what you see and
hear are--all through this place--are recognitions
for what he has done in the area of drug rehabilitation,
what he has done in areas of education, recognition
of cities and mayors and governors and so forth
and individuals whose lives have been changed.
books, the words "find or manufacture enough
threat", "--always attack--", "--dont
But if Hubbard is a man of enlightenment, he is
also a man who appears obsessed with his perceived
enemies. "Attack the attacker," he writes.
"If Scientology is attacked on some vulnerable
point, always find or manufacture enough threat
to cause them to sue for peace. Always attack,
don't ever defend." According to former church
members, it is writing like this that inspired
bizarre plots like the ones against Paulette Cooper
and numerous others.
But when I put some of that to the Rev. Jentzsch,
he accused us of coming to the defense of Scientology's
We say when Pearl Harbor happened, you'd be the
first guy going over there to represent the Japanese
cause he probably bruised his knee when
he killed all those Americans. You'd say, "Oh,
don't attack the attacker--just going to wipe
you out, you know. Just a bunch of poor Japanese
bombing , they probably flew 3,000 miles off course."
Mike Wallace. That's great. That's real great
Then the Rev. Jentzsch turned to the scriptures
to try to convince us that we were taking things
out of context.
The Torah has said "If one comes to kill
you, rise up and kill him first". But lets
go further; the Torah decrees, "If he comes
to slay thee, forestall by slaying him".
lets go to Exodus 2, 11:14: "When Moses
had grown up, he went out to his kinfolk and witnessed
their toil. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew.
He struck down the Egyptian and hid him in the
sand." Now I can just take it and turn it
back to you and say "You're a Jew, how do
you respond to this thing?" I don't think
that's fair. I think that is a DESPICABLE activity
by anyone to take it out of context. And I can
go through the whole Bible and lift it out and
make it look just as crazy, just as weird, as
you're trying to do here. With millions and millions
of word in print in a religion and you can take
out two words or you can take out a sentence and
you can somehow try to bring it down to that.
In the course of reporting this story it became
apparent to us that the Rev. Jentsch is persuaded
that 60 Minutes itself somehow involved with others
in a plot to destroy Scientology.
You may not like our religion. You may try to
castigate it. You may try to denigrate it. You
may try to bring down the image of Mr. Hubbard,
but you cannot change what has happened in the
hearts and minds of every single Scientologist
who has had benefit from this man and what he
We're here, you know, we're here for all the centuries
to come, all the centuries to come. After 60 Minutes
disappears and the electrons are erased off the
tape, we'll still be here.
Everyone who has taken these courses has come
out with a superego and with a truculent, if you
will, a truculent view of anyone who dares disagree
because the person who disagrees is perceived
as what they call a suppressive person--
And must be dealt with as such.
And that's the gospel according to L. Ron Hubbard.
That's the dark side of Scientology.
and Garrison, pictures of L. Ron Hubbard
Omar Garrison set out to write the Hubbard biography.
According to church legend Hubbard is a man of
extraordinary accomplishment. But Garrison says
that he has learned there is less to Hubbard than
has been painted over the years in church literature.
He fought in five theaters in World War II?
He commanded a squadron of corvettes?
He was crippled and blinded in war?
He was the first casualty of the war?
Flown home in the Secretary of the Navy's private
(chuckling): Not true.
Are you aware of the fact that there are more
than one set of military records on Mr. Hubbard?
Church attorney Earl Cooley says that the official
military records on L. Ron Hubbard are actually
On--that his records, his military records, have
been doctored? Are you aware of that?
By God knows whom.
But there is more.
Is he an atomic or nuclear physicist?
Of course not.
Did he travel with Tibetan bandits?
I have no documentation and have never seen any
in the extensive research that he did.
Legend, rumor grows up around any charismatic
leader, any leader in the world and particularly
any religious leader.
Attorney Earl Cooper says that if anyone exaggerated
the credentials of the founder, it was overzealous
Scientologists and not the man himself.
And if he were to spend his time attempting to
refute every allegation made against him, good
and bad, he would have no time to write the technology
and to develop the philosophy that has helped
millions and millions of people.
of L. Ron Hubbard, Homer Shomar, Author Services,
And has made millions and millions of dollars
for L. Ron Hubbard, according to this man, Homer
Shomar, who testified in court that as treasurer
of a company called Author Services, Inc. in Los
Angeles, he secretly channeled a fortune into
the private overseas bank accounts of L. Ron Hubbard.
His weekly income went from about $200,000 to
up over a million [dollars] per week.
L. Ron Hubbard himself was making a million dollars
Right. And most of the money was coming out of
Shomar says the company he worked for billed the
Church of Scientology for Hubbard's past research
and that the money was then transferred into Swiss
bank accounts. This despite public claims that
Hubbard made only a paltry living from Scientology.
And you knew this for a fact because you took
part in the switching, if you will, of these funds
Right. Plus we'd--I'd have the bank records set,
you know, the transfer, you know, the transfer
receipts from the bank that that money would be
What about the credibility of Homer Shomar and
the other former Scientologists who are now speaking
The Scientologists claim that those former church
members were purged from the church, in effect
thrown out, after an internal power struggle.
According to the church leaders they are all disgruntled
and have personal gripes and so the church says,
they are lying.
Sullivan, Homer Shomar, Omar Garrison
But Sullivan, Shomar, Garrison and others have
all been called as witnesses in court about their
experiences with Scientology.
And according to the Rev. Jentsch, the words of
a California Superior Court Judge, Paul Breckenridge,
who presided over one of those cases in which
the Scientologists were embroiled.
In that case the Scientologists did not testify
to all they told us in this report. Still, Judge
Breckenridge found Sullivan, Shomar and Garrison
to be extremely persuasive, to be credible witnesses.
And I read further from the judge's opinion.
"The organization is clearly schizophrenic
and paranoid. And, this bizarre combination seems
to be a reflection of its founder, LRH. The evidence
portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological
liar when it comes to his history, background,
The Rev. Jentsch says that he has investigated
what was the basis for the judge's decision.
I traced back where that came from, this whole
schizophrenia, paranoia concept that he has. It
came from Interpol. At that time the president
of Interpol was a former SS officer, Paul Dieckoff
(spelling?). AND TO FIND THAT JUDGE BRECKENRIDGE
QUOTED A NAZI SS OFFICER AS THE AUTHORITY on Scientology,
I find unconscionable. You may support it. I can't
support that in any way, shape or form.
marching, singing "America the Beautiful"
The church continues to protest it is misunderstood,
the object of unfair attacks. Meantime, loyal
Scientologists swear that they continue to find
salvation in Hubbards philosophy, that man
can help himself, that man can reach a state of
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