from a report which includes interviews
with Gerry Armstrong, jounalist Richard
Behar and Ron DeWolfe (L. Ron Hubbard
of video is in italics. VO=VOICEOVER
session; pictures of L. Ron Hubbards books;
picture of Hubbard
By doing these exercises and being tested on a
lie detector-like machine called the E-meter,
and make sure you follow exactly the teachings
of Scientologys founder L. Ron Hubbard.
You can have a better life, they say, by following
L. Ron Hubbard--or maybe not.
Ron Hubbard, Jr.; Gerry Armstrong; Ford and Andrea
Schwartz; picture of Hubbard
L. Ron Hubbards son, Scientologys
researcher and other church officials have left
the church, and now for the first time they are
publicly saying that Hubbard is a liar and the
churchs main interest is money.
Ron Hubbard, Jr.
STOSSEL: From the beginning this was a fraud.
RON HUBBARD, JR.: Right, correct, exactly.
This man is L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., son of the founder
of Scientology. He left the church in 1959. Hes
kept in contact with church members but, out of
fear for himself and his family, he has kept silent.
Now he feels he has to warn people.
Your father never meant to help people to start
a religion? He didnt believe it? He was
just out to make money?
JR.: He meant to start a religion for self-aggrandizement,
for money, for power.
Money and power.
JR.: Um-hum. And he got that on a great basis,
both of them.
Hubbard, Jr. was there from the beginning when
his father founded Scientology. He was second
in command for 10 years.
From the beginning you were cheating people. You
were telling them, "This is a religion, were
gonna help you." But the real purpose was
to make money.
How much money?
JR.: Well, I knew back in 1959 when I left the
organization, the figures here [???] were only
$20 or 30 million personally. But, um, I received
figures recently as much as a quarter billion.
The church denies that Hubbard, Sr. profited personally
but does admit the church is well off.
Some of the money was raised through people like
Andrea Schwartz. She enrolled students in Scientology
ANDREA SCHWARTZ, Former Scientologist
SCHWARTZ: I would outline a program that pretty
closely matched his savings account or matched
what he could buy, you know, by getting a loan
And people would borrow money to take your courses?
Honey, people would sell their houses, theyd
lie to their parents, theyd do just about
anything they could. I would have died for L.
Ron Hubbard. If I had gotten an order, "This
is what you need to do to make planet Earth a
better place," I would have done it.
of Hubbard; Gerry Armstrong
But what do you find when you look carefully at
Mr. Hubbard? Gerry Armstrong was so close to Hubbard,
the church appointed him researcher for Hubbards
biography. He assembled thousands of documents
on Hubbard, but when he read them--:
GERRY ARMSTRONG, Former Scientologist
ARMSTRONG: L. Ron Hubbard became a lie.
of Scientology book with highlighted text
In Scientologys texts, Hubbard claimed he
miraculously cured himself of combat wounds.
He was never wounded.
of hospital bed; drawing supposedly of Hubbard
with dark glasses on
(voice of): He was never crippled. He was never
(on camera): He did spend some time under medical
care for ulcers.
JR.: 99% of what my father has written and said
about himself is fully untrue. He just
Just made it up.
JR.: Thats right.
of Dianetics book
Profits from the best seller went not to religion,
says his son, but to the importing of drugs.
JR.: He furnished the money, I ran around--I went
along to load the money, um, and through Mafia
[??] friends of his we imported, um, cocaine and
heroin through Colombia.
People were giving you money to get happiness,
religion from learning and you were going to Mexico
and Colombia with your father to buy drugs? Marijuana
and cocaine, right?
of England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and
the United States with the names of the areas
shown as the map of each country was shown; picture
of Hubbard; picture of the Apollo
Then in England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada
and the United States, government agencies started
investigating Hubbard and the church. Hubbard,
however, never had to answer any questions, because
he moved Scientologys headquarters to this
ship, and for five years he ran the church from
You were on the boat with him for four years.
pictures of Gerry Armstrong
You got married on the boat.
Right. He gave away my wife.
of Hubbard with Gerry Armstrongs wife; another
He was the surrogate father of the bride.
of the Apollo
Several church officials who were on the boat
now say Hubbard used the boat to store millions
You would see it, help process it?
Uh, I helped clear it through customs.
Millions of dollars.
Millions. In briefcases.
of Hubbard looking really dissipated; another
picture of Hubbard with a hat and glasses
Armstrong says in 1973 Hubbard went ashore to
hide; and these pictures were taken of him in
(voice of): The reason he fled the ship was because
of the French fraud case. He grew his hair long
as part of the disguise and whenever he went out
in public he wore a little hat and glasses.
At the same time, he and his church launched an
attack on his enemies.
JR.: My fathers basic policy has always
been since at least since 1952 whats called
"Fair Game," which means that, um, anybody
that speaks out against Scientology, writes about
Scientology, he would do everything in his power
to destroy them.
JR.: Um, find out every mean, down, dirty thing
that they ever did in their life and use it against
An intelligence operation.
An intelligence operation? Gathering information
Um, anyone who would oppose L. Ron Hubbard and
Revenue Service building; Justice Department building
The Scientologists had many techniques for harassing
their enemies. In the late 1970s they broke into
the IRS and Justice Department to steal documents.
of Mary Sue Hubbard
Nine Scientology officers including L. Ron Hubbards
wife, Mary Sue, were convicted for that break-in.
Angeles Scientology church building
Documents the FBI found in the churchs Los
Angeles office suggested other ways to harass
of church documents
(reading from documents): "Order hundred
of dollars of liquor in his name and have it delivered
to his home to cause him trouble. Wake him up
every night by calling him up on the phone and
threatening him. Poison him while hes asleep
so hell never start another attack."
Angeles Scientology church; Rev. Heber Jentzsch
and Scientology lawyer Harvey Silverglate
Are these the policies of a church? The church
provided two spokesmen, church lawyer Harvey Silverglate
and Scientology International president Reverend
HEBER JENTZCH, Scientology Spokesman
JENTZSCH: The church does not believe in that
kind of a policy and has never held that kind
of a policy. Youre bound to have a few people
who do not agree to the moral principles of the
church, but on the other hand
Who totally on their own go out and break into
On the other hand, what youre missing is
that millions and millions of people follow the
moral precepts, apply those, and have brought
a tremendous amount of happiness to their own
You made it clear after the break-ins that this
was not church policy. At some point, did you
make it extra clear to everybody, "Hey, we
dont break in"?
JR.: Theyve said that since about 5 minutes
after my father created the policy [laughs] in
The church says L. Ron, Jr. is a liar and even
signed an affidavit admitting it.
He admits that hes lied about the church
and hes lied in depositions, etc., and he
wants to make a clean breast of it.
Ron Hubbard, Jr.; affidavit signed by L. Ron Hubbard,
L. Ron, Jr. says hes no liar. He signed
that statement, he says, only because the Scientologists
threatened his family.
and Andrea Schwartz; Mike Flynn
These Scientologists say they were instructed
to harass the churchs current enemies like
attorney Mike Flynn. Flynn is an enemy because
several ex-Scientologists hired him to sue the
They broke into your office, stole 20,000 documents.
FLYNN: Filed lawsuits all over the United States
against me, um, sent postcards to me threatening
to poison me. Um, Ive had bomb threats called
into my office, harassing telephone calls at all
hours of the day and night.
(outside Los Angeles Church of Scientology): And
how do Scientologists find out whats happening
in the enemys camp? Through spies and double
agents like Ford and Andrea Schwartz.
(interviewing): What did you do?
SCHWARTZ: I was an [narc??].
Ford Schwartz says Scientologys police organization
called the Guardians Office assigned him
and his wife Andrea to pose as deprogrammers,
people who help people get out of Scientology.
SCHWARTZ, Former Scientologist
SCHWARTZ: The point of the operation was to become
the enemy completely.
So you had one of your own people leading the
SCHWARTZ: And--what better way to play the game?
Playing both sides.
You fooled Flynn.
SCHWARTZ: I infiltrated the Michael Flynn network.
He got you.
He got me.
holding document on L. Ron Hubbard, Jr.
Ford also spied on Hubbard, Jr., provided data
for this incredible document, a list of much of
what Hubbard did or said over the past 30 years,
that kept Hubbard, Jr. too nervous to speak out.
JR.: Probably the main thing that Ford Schwartz
did was try to, um, keep me contained.
And they kept the media contained, too.
from KGO-TV news story about Scientology
OF TIM FINDLEY: The Sea Org is virtually Hubbards
exclusive Navy. Each member of the Sea Organization
signs a billion year contract to serve Scientology.
This is part of a news story on Scientology taped
by ABCs San Francisco TV station KGO. The
story never ran.
You got a story killed at KGO.
SCHWARTZ: Through media [??]
footage from the WGO news show
Ford Schwartz, posing as a Scientology opponent,
got KGO to let him see the story. He quickly told
the Guardians Office that the report was
critical. The Guardian Office threatened
lawsuits, and the story was never broadcast. ABC
says it wasnt newsworthy. Other stories
have been killed.
You got the UPI to kill a story on Scientology.
Eastham; UPI news wire page
UPI reporter Todd Eastham was about to send out
this story, which Andrea says is true, about how
her fellow Scientologists had once beaten her
up. The Guardians Office got Andrea to sign
a statement calling the story a lie, and they
threatened lawsuit. The story didnt run.
EASTHAM, United Press International
EASTHAM: My sources had been discredited to the
extent that we no longer really considered them
decent sources, and without Ford and Andrea Schwartz,
there was no story.
Digest magazine cover with story "Scientology:
Anatomy of a Frightening Cult"; last page
And Ford tricked the Readers Digest so that
when it ran a story about Scientology it said,
"For help in getting out of the cult, call
these numbers", all the numbers led to Ford
You were basically a cheat.
SCHWARTZ: Correct. I was basically a good con
man, a cheat.
How does the church answer these charges?
SILVERGLATE, Scientology attorney
SILVERGLATE: Who can question what these people
did? They said they did it, we have to assume
that they did it.
They said their bosses told them to do it as church
If they said somebody above them told them to
do, lets assume somebody above them told
them to do it.
And its church policy, they say--
Thats where we differ.
Why are all these people saying these things?
There are mixed motives. Money is really the crux
of the whole thing. You have here people who,
while they were in the church, committed acts
which they now, as ex-members, are testifying
that they did in order that they can collect money
from the church, which they claim is responsible
for what they did. That is, in a nutshell, what
is happening here.
Sounds like the whole church was there to make
money. Gerry Armstrong said he channeled millions
of dollars to the ship and back. I think youre
in this to get rich.
Can you tell me what you did with that money?
We have to answer to governments just like everybody
else, and we file just like everybody else. We
have the church [?????????] where this moneys
L. Ron Hubbard, Jr.; Ford Schwartz; legal summons
So who do you believe? Current church officials
or people whove left the church? Pending
lawsuits may bring out more of the truth.
Meanwhile, those who speak out are afraid.
I started to carry a weapon.
I keep a knife with me at all times. I keep it--I
sleep with a knife beside my bed--
Because you think they might come and kill you
because you have information that hurts them?
I think they could.
DOWNS (in studio): Fascinating. You think well
ever know if Hubbard is alive at this moment?
Its hard to say. We dont know if that
tape is authentic or when it was made. If he is
alive, his sons lawsuit may now force him
to come forward and prove it. Millions of dollars
are at stake. Meanwhile, tomorrow morning, Hubbards
wife will have her day in court. She is to be
sentenced for that break-in at the IRS.
Shades of Howard Hughes.
Thank you, John.
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