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A.
It’s a —— in other words, PC folder is a generic
term for all the folders.
 
Q.
Okay. Well, how many -- how many -- using the
specific language, and not generalizing, how many PC folders
were there for Lisa McPherson, how many OT folders, how many
pre—OT folders? 
 
A.
I don’t know.
Q.
You have no idea?
A.
No, sir. S
MS. VAUGHAN:
Well, as a clarification, the.
seven folders that you mentioned are the pre—Clear and
pre-OT folders, right?
 
THE WITNESS:
Correct.
Q.
How do you know that?
A.
Because when I spoke with Mr. Long, Ken Long, he
said that Carol was the only one he had of the particular
level that Lisa was auditing on. 
 
MS. VAUGHAN:
Carol Oaks?
THE WITNESS:
Carol Oaks. 
A.
And I -— we discussed that particular level; that
is, what we call the L’s Rundown. I don’t actually know
what L stands for, but it is a rundown that you give between
the person becoming Clear and doing their OTs. Actually,
 it’s any time above.
 
Q. OT stands for what?

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