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A.	It’s actually the PC folder.	S
.	Okay. Still called the pre—Clear folder?
A.	Yeah. You -- when you -- within the Church, you

would probably call it a pre-OT folder.

Q.	Okay. And have you searched for all the pre-OT

folders or have you ever seen a pre-OT folder?

A.	I’ve seen them a lot, but I can’t look into them.

Q.	Did Mr. Long tell you there were any pre-OT

folders belonging to Lisa McPherson?

A. Yes.

Q.	I don’t recall hearing about those before. Tell

me about them.

A.	They are the same folders, actually, that you and

I have been talking about, at least as far as I’m concerned.
The general term for these folders is PC folders even though
the person may be an OT or a pre-OT.

In other words, if I was talking with Laura or
yourself or anyone else about a person’s auditing folders,
I’d just call them PC folders. But if I went into the
Hubbard Guidance Center and I told the Folder Page I need
all of Lisa’s pre-OT folders, I’d be very specific with that
individual. Do you know what I mean?

Q.	No, I’m not sure I do.

Okay.

Q.	But are you saying that --