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Kartuzinski:
Meaning they supervise ministers, which we call
auditors. And these ministers perform special counseling with parishioners. And so..and my job consists of making sure that the case supervisors do what is standard procedures in directing the spiritual counseling.
Det. Sudler:
Okay. Airight. Do you recall who Lisa’s spiritual
counselor was or her.. .who her auditor was?
Kartuzinski:
No. There. . .1 have to give you a bit of an idea i
think of how many people we deal with. Each.. .each minister has between four and ten parishioners at any given time and each case supervisor has between ten and twenty ministers. If you multiply those numbers, you have a very good idea of what happens.
Det. Sudler:
Okay. So you don’t necessarily know who a particular
case supervisor has under them?
Kartuzinski:. Exactly.
Det. Sudler:
You just.. .you’re. . .you’re more concerned with these
supervisors themselves?
Kartuzinski:
Exactly.
Det. Sudler:
Okay. How did you.. .how did you become involved
with Lisa McPherson at that period of time. . .at the. end of November?
Kartuzinski:
Well, I was informed of the fact that a parishioner,
Lisa McPherson, had had some sort of accident and was at the hospital.
Det. Sudler:
Who informed you, of that?
Kartuzinski:
Someone ‘from the security office.
Det. Sudler:
Okay. You don’t remember who?
Kartuzinski:
I don’t recall who that was.
Det. Sudler:
Okay. Were you on post at that time?
Kartuzinski:
Oh yes.
Det. Sudler:
Okay. And that was at 210 S. Ft. Harrison?

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