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everything, on a regular basis. That was part of her regime, was to do that, and I think they were all in Scientology as well, I mean they were certainly affiliated, but, urn, she definitely would have gone to someone if she were ill. Now, I saw pictures of her during her ceremony after she attested to clear, and she was very thin, I don’t remember seeing her that thin. She was very thin, I don’t remember seeing her that thin, but that goes along with, this whole international jet-set thing going on in Clearwater because our, Lisa told me that when she was in Dallas, they were very casual. She went into work with her hair in a ponytail on top of her head, in her jogging shorts, and a tee-shirt, and tennis shoes, and never thought. When they made the move to Clearwater, all of a sudden, it was very different. She said, “you know”, I remember her telling me when she first bought her furniture, she said, “you know, I went out and bought myself nice furniture, but I guess I’m just getting to the point where I think I deserve it.” You know, I’ve been able to, but I never have done it”, you know, “and now, and I wouldn’t anymore go out of the house without my makeup done and ‘my hair perfect and my clothes perfect, then anything”. There was a real change, and I don’t know whether it was motivated, just because we were older and she wanted to, she was with a different crowd of people that were perhaps more cosmopolitan and therefore it became an issue, or whether she was just coming into her own it that role, I don’t know, but I know that was a big change when she moved there. A lot more status stuff going on. Lisa had never really been concerned with status, as far as I knew, you know we were always just girls from home, regardless, but I think that that was a whole different feel to it, and quite honestly, I think she had a fun time with it, you know, she urn, would, she was going and doing, I don’t know if she was doing conventions, or whether she was going to conferences, or what, she was jetting around a lot, and she was urn, you know, going on vacations and doing things that, it was just, for all practical purposes it was a good life. She was having a good time, urn, so I was really shocked that it could end so abruptly and so badly.

SF:
Any other questions George?
JO I don’t think so.

SF:
Okay, this will conclude, the interview with Carol Hawk. It is approximately
1730 hours.

SF:
Um, this is going to resume the interview with Carol Hawk. It’s
approximately 1735 hours. I forgot to ask, urn, Carol, if she had an occasion to ever speak with Benetta, or

OH:
I spoke with she and also with her husband at one point, um, when I found
out that Lisa had died, which was apparently a few days after her death, um, I called her mother in Dallas and I asked for the number there. I was trying to find out what had happened, um, because Lisa’s mother had sketchy information,

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