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A.
Right. It was about that time that it was,
like, getting difficult to hear the breathing, et cetera.
Q.
You’re not a physician, I’m not a physician, but
are you - - are you saying that to the best of your lay opinion, as a - - as a regular person making observations here, that this person was in the process of dying in that ride to the hospital, possibly?
Can you make that assumption? Can you make those observations for us? 
MR. DARKEN: You want an assumption or an observation?
BY MR. MCGARRY:
Q.
Well, an observation.
A.
Well, the observation was, is that the breathing
was getting less and less and less to the point where it was difficult to detect. 
 
Q.
Do you know a Lacy Spector?
A.
Who?
Q.
Lacy Spector?
MR. STROPE: Spencer.
BY MR. MCGARRY:
Q.
Spencer?
A.
Doesn’t ring a bell.
Q.
Okay Those rooms, now, the rooms up there at
the hotel, one of the rooms that she was in, is that

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