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anybody like that -- at that ‘time Laura had already gone to
Mexico, so there was nobody —-

MR. FUGATE: You mean by “Laura”?

THE WITNESS: Laura Arrunada had already gone
to Mexico. If she was at Flag at that time, she would
have been transferred as well.

Q.
How about Alain Kartuzinski?
A.
Alain was temporarily holding the Senior Case
Supervisor position while Richard Reese was in L.A.
training. Richard Reese came back, Alain resumed his others
duties. He was removed late spring the following year. He
had a Committee of Evidence on a matter unrelated to this,
he was removed for something else.

Q.
I’m confused. I read a Source magazine article,
it was pretty extensive and bragging almost on
Alain Kartuzinski being the Senior Case Supervisor at
Flag Land Base.

A.
Right.
Q.
‘Never once in the article did it mention he was
holding a temporary post for Mr. Reese.

A.
At the time before Mr. Reese he was the
Deputy Senior CS. They had several Case Supervisors, each
of whom was a Senior Case Supervisor. When Reese left,
Alain became the top man. When Reese came back, Alain went
back :to the Deputy position for ‘a while. He isn’t on the

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