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‘You weren’t, at that time? 
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You just knew about them. 
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In your conversation,, your face-to-face  
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conversation with Mr. Karduzinski, did you guys discuss a  
plan or procedure for Lisa McPherson? 
 
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Only that she would be put under watch, you  
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know, gotten stabilized out, and then gone on to  
introspective run-down when she was able to be audited. 
 
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All right. There’s 
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there’s written 
 
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procedures, I presume, that were penultimately written by  
Mr. Hubbard 
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on this procedure, right 
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for the watch and for the introspective 
 
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run-down. 
 
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Now, are you familiar with those procedures? 
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