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like a little while after that, and we got -- and
Sylvia came out. I don’t know if there was somebody
else in there before Janice, but I believe She was
doing it that night because people were tired.
 
Q.
Okay.
A.
That’s all I really know in that.
Q.
Okay. How about -- were you aware of any
special training that Janice had other than yourself or
other women who were attending to her?
 
A.
I don’t know. I don’t have any data on that.
Q.
, Now, as an executive in the organization ——
A.
‘ Right.
Q.
• -- and you’re looking at the cycle that’s
occurring to Lisa McPherson, in your opinion, who. was
in charge of this?
 
A.
Overall I would say Alain Kartuzinski.
Q.
Okay. And why would that be?
A.
Because it’s —— it’s a sort of technical
area, like we have like a technology, right, an applied
technology, and there’s a technology to help someone
like Lisa what we call destimulate, so that would like
come under Alain as —- his post is like a case
supervisor.
 
Q.
Okay. Now, my understanding of the cycle was
that someone who’s a PTS three type personality who has
 
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