Det. Sudler:

Lisa.

Greenwood:

I don’t know what.. I don’t know what you mean.

Det. Sudler:

Okay. That wouldn’t be a term? 

Greenwood:

Eyes off the object.

Det. Sudler:

Yeah.

Greenwood:

I don’t know what that means.

Det. Sudler:

Okay. Umm.. .what. . .she also.. .you know. .referred

. .you know. . .in interviews..

Greenwood:

Who referred? -

Det. Sudler:

Lisa had. . .had told an individual that she was an

Greenwood:

Oh.

Det. Sudler:

Is that a-familiar...?

Greenwood:

OT?

Det. Sudler:

Yeah, I know that.

Greenwood:

Yeah.

Det. Sudler:

What is that?

Greenwood:

Operating Thetan.

Det. Sudler:

You still lost me.

Greenwood:

I don’t really know because I am not at that

level. I just have heard the term.

Det. Sudler:

Okay. It’s a level in the.. .in the...

Greenwood:

Right. A level like I guess you’d say spiritual

Det. Sudler:

Okay.

Sgt. -Teunis:

Is it based on training? You reach certain levels?

Greenwood: Well, I don’t know. It’s partially I suppose.. I

don’t know. I really don’t know.. .I haven’t.. .you

don’t find out those things until you do them.

Sgt. - Teunis:

Okay. So you just.. .you con.. .continue the way you

Greenwood:

You keep going..

Sgt. Teunis:

Until somebody says “You’re gonna change now”.