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death to write reports and turn them in to Security in
that little office there?
 
A.
I don’t recall that.
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Q. Have you ever participated or have any knowledge
about any types of these cycles occurring in other places,
or have you participated in any of those?
 
A.
I have heard of these things occurring before.
Q.
Basically it is the same thing I just described
about the PTS-3 type personality?
 
A.
That has been my understanding, yes.
Q.
What was some of the conclusions to those? Did
they work out? Or did they end in death also, like
Lisa’s?
 
A.
No, I have never heard of anybody dying, and I
have heard that they all worked out, the ones I know of.
And a lot of that is second-, third-, fourth-hand.
 
Q.
That is all I asked for. That is fine.
On the 24th when you had to kind of wrestle with
her a little bit, and I’m just picturing myself in
wrestling with some crazy people, when you had to wrestle
her, what did she look like physically, I mean, you saw
her in the beginning, an hour, quite a ways down the line?
 
A.
Yes, she was, Mmm —— I mean, if you are asking
for what did she look like, she was —— she was agile, she
 
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you know, normal-sized woman. Like there was no
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