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Q. So she’s above Marcus Quirino or is she --

A.
Yes, at this point, she is.
Q.
Okay. Do you remember, on that report that you
wrote, who told you that she was weak? I remember reading
in the report - -
A.
Mm-hmm. I think it was Valerie -- Valerie
Demangie.
 
Q.
Okay. At Morton Plant --
A.
Mm-hmm.
Q.
- - you never got to talk to Lisa directly, back
and forth.
 
A.
No, no. She was always with other people.
Q.
Okay. I noticed -- something that I wanted to
explore a little bit with you, was - -
 
A.
Mm-hmm.
Q.
- - it seemed that everything was in a holding
pattern at Morton Plant, as far as Lisa’s care, because
she was talking to a psychiatrist nurse, which was --
 
A.
Mm-hmm.
Q.
-- A male? Was that a male?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Yes. Everything was in kind of on hold until
Judy Colesberry Webber showed up. And it seemed, in your
explanation, that Judy Colesberry Webber showed up, you
guys were in the hail, she goes inside because she knows

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