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Q.
Is there any -- are there any times when members
of your organization are armed?
 
A.
No, never.
Q.
No.
A.
Precisely, that’s one of the —- of the things that
we are trained to avoid.
 
Q.
Okay.
A.
If we —- if we can talk to the person, it would be
better than to utilizing a weapon.
 
Q.
Okay. So how many -— you said you went inside the
room where Lisa was at four or five times?
 
A.
,More or less.
Q.
Did you ever have any physical contact with Lisa?
Did she ever try to hit you?
 
A.
Never. ‘
Q.
Did you ever have to hold her hands or did you
ever have to hold -- help subdue her, to quiet her down?
That would be a normal -- if she’s violent, somebody needed
,to help. And if you were called in, did you ever have to
physically lay your hands on Lisa?
 
A.
Well, two times I touch her. , ,
Once was the, first time that I went inside to —-
to handle the lamp. She put her —— her body in front of me.,
And I didn’t know what to do, so I extended my hand to shake
her hand, and she grabbed my hand just as normal. And I

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