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there, maybe four, five times.
 
Q.
Okay. And -- and what was the nature of those
contacts?
 
A.
Well, I remember once, one of the girls came out
and told me that she was getting a little bit violent and
that she broke a -- a lamp that was fixed in one of the
walls. So I went
to see what —- what was broken and what --
if there was glasses or something in the floor. And the
lamp was partly plastic and partly wood. So I decided just
to take it of f. I mean, it wasn’t really
harmful, but it
had edges, so it could cut somebody, so I just decided to
take
it of f. And I took it of f, everything.

Another time Lisa was sitting in -- in the bed,
and with the headrest that was wooden, she was hitting her
head against it. And it would bounce against the wall. And
it was making a lot of noise. And more because she was
hurting herself, I decided to take it off too. So that was
another time.

Another time was, oneof the girls came out and
told me that
-- that she needed help to -- to take all the
sheets and things out. So I just went in and took
everything out.

Q.
Okay. Did you ever speak to Lisa?
A.
No.
Q. Now, I know that there’s a reason for that.

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